Last month I was called a bigot.  I was called a racist.  I was told that I had no compassion for my fellow man.  All of this stemming from an 'interview' with a friend of a friend who was doing a paper on 'Social Attitudes'.

The discussion went kind of like this:

Me: So, what do you want to know?  What are we going to discuss?

Her: I've got a list of topics I want your opinion and comments on.  I will then write about your opinions and either support them or argue them in my paper.

Me:  Ok.  Why me?  You don't know me.  Until today, we had never met. 

Her: I was discussing this assignment with <mutual friend> and it was recommended I use you as my subject for this interview.  I think she suggested you because she thinks you are smart, or something.

Me:  Ahh.  Well let's get this started, I need to be at work in an hour and a half.

Her: OK.  What do you know about the healthcare bill before Congress?

Me: I know it is there.  I believe it is a mistake.  I know there is no way for President Obama to keep his promises about taxes and reform if that bill becomes law.  I know that bill will not help the healthcare system, but instead destroy it.  This country has the best healthcare possible, in the entire world.  Canada has a lottery to determine if you can see the doctor this month.  The PM of Australia came to this country to get the care he needed for a prostate issue, because it was not available in Australia.  I know that right now, I could go to the hospital and get care if I needed it.  Without insurance.  Yes, I will get billed for it, but I could still get the care I needed.  This country has the smartest and best doctors in the world.  There are two reasons for this.  The first is that here a doctor gets paid a market value for their work.  Specialists get paid even more.  And the doctor is, oftentimes, self-employed.  Another small business paying taxes and helping our overall economy.  By changing to socialized medicine, which is what this bill is about, we, as a population, take away the incentive of people to become doctors.  The brightest and the best will find other fields to work in, where they can profit the most from what they do.  The second reason for having the best medical care available is becuase of those doctors who practice medicine as a calling.  These are the people that care about others so much that they give of themselves to help others.  These are the doctors you see opening 'free clinics' in places where there is economic depression.  These are the doctors that are part of Doctors without Borders and other similar programs.  Socialized medicine will tell these great people who give of themselves so freely who they can help and how much help they can give.  This healthcare bill will stifle their ability to give of themselves.

Her:  So you think Doctors are either in healthcare to become rich or play God?

Me:  That is not what I said.  But with some of the doctors I have seen through the years, that comment applies to a few.  Look, medicine is hard work.  Dealing with sick people or injured people can really test the mettle of a person.  There are two rewards for that, money and pride.  Have you seen how much it costs for medical school these days?  After 6 to 12 years of advanced study these doctors can have $250,000 in school debt to pay off.  That debt has to be paid off, somehow.  Taking pride in helping others is it's own payment. 

Her:  Ok. Next question:  Where do you stand on the illegal immigrant issue?

Me:  If they are here, illegally, they should be returned to where ever they came from.  I know and understand that most are good people, here to get jobs and to live a better life.  But I have to ask myself, how much respect can they have for this country when they have essentially "break in" to get here.  It is my opinion they should be rounded up and sent 'home'.  There are rules, laws and processes for how honest people can enter our nation.  If they will not respect those laws, how can they be expected to respect others such as laws against rape, theft, murder?  I'm all for immigration.  My ancestors were immigrants, but they got here, legally.  I would ask that any person wanting to come to our nation enter legally.  If they want to stay here, they need to work, here.  They need to support the nation by being an American, not a 'Mexican-American' or 'Hispanic-American'.  They should become a part of the whole, not set themselves to be seperate.  That means learning to speak English, participating in our society and respecting our laws.

Her:  You only mentioned 'Mexicans' and 'Hispanics'.  Do you think no one else is crossing our borders, illegally?

Me:  No, but we DO have an open border with Canada.  Of the Canadians that come here, most go back home, after they get whatever medical treatment they came here for.  The same medical treatment their socialized medicine solution either denied them or scheduled them for, so far out they will die before they can get the treatment.

Her:  So you are a racist.  You think the Canadians come here only for medicine and not for jobs because they are white?

Me:  I am not a racist.  I only want people entering into this nation do so legally, respecting our laws.  I only want those same people to be American's.  As American's we have the freedoms to be who and what we want to be.  We can be a success or a failure or just skate by.  We can go to school, get jobs doing things we like, or even set up our own business, if that is what we want to do.  We have LEGAL immigrants coming to this country and doing any or all of those things, every single day.  To be free is hard work.  To be an American, a true American means to work hard and to be a part of the nation.

Her:  I already know the answer, but I need your comments for my paper, where do you stand on the gun problems in this country?

Me:  Actually, I agree.  There is a 'gun problem' in this country.  There are too many laws and rules regarding 'gun control'.  Actually, there are just too many laws in this country.  There was a time when a person did not need the permission of the government to protect themselves.  Now?  Now, in most states, someone else has to determine if I have the need to protect myself.  The Brady Bunch are peddling fear without seeing the bigger picture.  As long as the people are not aloowed or are restricted on having guns, then crime will be higher.  Look at England.  A story I read a few years ago stated how a man went to prison, for life, because he shot two people.  This person was a farmer.  The two people had broken into his home, one of them had a pistol.  The farmer had an old shotgun.  He shot both those men who broke into his home and threatened him and his family.  The farmer was sentenced to life in prison, and because the burglars were hurt, by a gun the farmer was not supposed to have, they were released.  Tell me, how is that just?  After their release, one of the burglars stated they were going to kill the farmer and his family.  If they had known he had that shotgun, they would not have gone into that house.  We have too many laws in this nation that take away or limit the rights guaranteed to us in the Constitution and the Bill of Rights.  I don't want to be that English farmer.  And I want to be dead, even less.  So I will always have, find or make a way to protect me and mine.  I believe that is part of being an American, too.  I don't take from others.  I earn what I have and intend to keep it. 

Her:  I thought you were one of those gun nuts.

Me:  If you thought I was all these bad things, then why interview me?  So far you have called me a bigot and a racist.  You insinuate I am some kind of radical gun nut because I believe in protecting what I earn.

Her:  This is not about me, it is supposed to be an interview of you.  Shall we continue?  What is your stance on the war?

Me:  Which one?  Iraq or Afganistan?

Her:  They are the same war. 

Me:  No, they are not.  The war in Afghanistan has been going on a bit longer than the one in Iraq.  Just a few months longer, but longer, none the less.  Regardless, my stance on the wars is actually quite simple.  We have taken the fight to 'them'.  The fight is on their soil.  We have had no more major bombings or terrorist attacks on our nation since we took the battle to them.  I think there are better ways to have fought parts of the wars, I think our supposed leaders have used the wars to further their own gains.  And I think the funding for the wars should NEVER have been a political ace card.  As long as Al Quieda exists, they will be forever a threat to the peace of this nation.  I believe the people who are Al Quieda do not represent the Muslim world as a whole, but are zealots.  Islam is not, in my opinion, a religion of peace.  Nor is Christianity.  Look at the atrocities committed by both over the centuries.  The proof is in their actions, not in their words.  As for them being the 'same war' that is inaccurate.  Former President Bush went to war in Afghanistan because of the terrorist attacks on the US.  That includes 9/11 and the attacks on the USS Cole and various US buildings in other countries.  The war in Iraq was initiated to put an end to support Hussein was giving Al Queida and other terrorist groups.  Hussein was removed from power as a means of providing stability to that part of the world.  Much like the guy in Iran, he wanted more than he had.  He killed his own people by the thousands in acts of genocide.  He maintained an iron fist rule where the laws applied only in degrees.  The closer a person was to him, more immune they were to law, order and justice.

Her:  Last question:  What is your religion and why?

Me:  I'm pagan.  Not wiccan.  Not Christian.  But Pagan.  In the original Latin, pagan meant ignorant or uneducated.  Over time and ignorance, the city people started equating that ignorance with not knowing their God.  And in their efforts to expand the Roman Catholic empire, pagans were looked upon as being simple.  In reality, the church started adopting many of the pagan elements into their religion.  Easter is an example.  Easter is a celebration of life and renewal.  And oddly enough it is celebrated about the same time as Ostara, the pagan celebration of rebirth of the Sun.  This occurs on the Vernal Equinox, when the day and the night are of equal length.  The Church decided they were not going to beat the pagans into Christianity, so instead, they created holidays and adopted symbols to fold the pagans in.  Look at Christmas for that one.  The birth date of Christ.  The giving of gifts and celebrating family. Then look into the spirit of Yule.  Yule was to celebrate the birth of the Divine Child conceived on Beltane in early May.  The winter solstice.  The shortest day and longest night of the year.  Once past the winter solstice, the year could get no worse or longer.  The nights start to shorten and the promise of spring comes to us.  I consider myself a 'Militant Pagan' or a Universalist.  I am militant in that I demand to be allowed to worship if and how I see fit, as long as I cause no harm or limit the same right of another.  I am pagan, because I want peace, and the other 'major' religions do not offer that, because they all preach love and acceptance, but then preach exclusion, separation and violence.  Abortion and Gay marriage point both of those out in stark contrast to what is preached in the bible and by Christ.  Being pagan lets me live my life by my morals and I hae to report to no one but myself for my thoughts and what is in my heart.

Her:  OK, I think I have enough.  I obviously have very different points of view than you have.  It is a shame you are wrong on so many points.  You are a smart person.  I just don't understand how you can be so smart and yet so wrong on everything.

Me:  Well, if smart equals right, and I am as smart as you say I am, perhaps your opinions are wrong.  Of course, if smart equals right, then wrong equals what?  Dumb? 

Yesterday I was contacted by the young lady who interviewed me to tell me the grade on her paper.  Evidently the instructor of her sociology class gave out two grades per paper.  One was for the student and one for the person interviewed.  This student received a failing grade on the paper because her opinions were based upon emotions and ignorance and could not be supported with logical discourse.  The instructor also saw fit to award a perfect score to me, after listening to the tape of the interview.  Even though we had differing stands on these points of the interview, my comments were well stated and clearly supported.

Maybe I should go back to school.  Hmmm.  Definitely something to think about.



Zanthera Degore said...

Kind of funny how people come to Canada to become doctors.. from the States.

Funny how Americans come to Canada to get treatment without being charged and arm and a leg...you know have your finger put back on for free RIGHT AWAY or give up your first born to pay for it the American way. Oh and an American doctor has no trouble denying you treatment because you can't afford it. Heartless I say.

Oh and Canadians going to the States for treatment because of denial here is totally bull!! If we want it sooner we can pay just as well as Americans. We have a choice. Oh and 2/3 of it is refunded in income tax if you do pay for it yourself. Do Americans get income tax refund of paid surgical/medical treatments?

Letting people have guns freely only give more crime in itself. To make more effort to get a gun that will become easily tracked is discouraging for those who want to commit a crime. Now without a gun and such you still willing to shoot them when they are unarmed? Dude that's what insurance is for. Let them have it and claim it. More peaceful.

I do have to say your interviewer has horrible tact in her rebuttal. Pointing fingers is so not how to go about it.

Lodestone and Ladys Mantle said...

Socialized medicine is tantamount to slavery. Didn't we abolish that a dozen or so decades ago? Maybe they'll spin it as a new tax ("...without calling it one", goes without saying). Zanthera's comments may be true.
...or false. Each country has it's own media machine, spinning it their own way. Still, you can't change the laws of supply & demand. "Free" blows "Demand" through the ceiling, where humans are involved.

I'd like to point out Mr R. A. Heinlein's assertion: An armed society is a polite society. Florida has been infamous for it's crime against tourists. The criminals know that the tourists aren't "Packing Heat", and simply stalk the rent-a-car lots for them. They don't hunt the locals, now, do they?

Just because people want a perfect world, it doesn't make it so. Where would they put all the creatures that live on it, now? If they want a perfect world, they can go out in space and make their own. This one is populated by real people, for better or worse, and I have yet to see a single magic wand capable of undoing all of the survival techniques we've learned over the past 4 Billion or so years, in favor of a "Perfect World", cotton candy mindset. Life is pain & death. Those that aren't delivering it are suffering it. "Play Nice", and the one who isn't is getting all the goodies. That's the one who get's rewarded.

I'm glad you pointed out that you can't disarm an educated populace. Even if they take away the guns, the human mind knows how to use anything as a weapon. England did. Just read through the rash of Knife-Slayings they've been having recently!
The Japanese Peasantry learned the hard way: Walking-stick fighting, chain fighting, and more. Our police billy-club is actually a machine-made version of the rice threshing clubs, used by the peasants since before recorded history. Take away the guns, and we'll make better weapons. You just won't recognize them until we use them.

Thanks for the great read!
We've missed you!
Ac & Carmin

toadbile said...

At least she waited until you mentioned hyphenated-americans before calling you a racist. Opposing HR3200 or Cap'n'trade is usually enough.

Funny how people say "funny how" when they aren't funny. True, a nine month delay on treatment for a condition that will blind one in four months is not actuall denial, but it's the same effect. Anecdotes of canadians heading south to get around the waiting periods for surgeries are not uncommon and not total bull.
Brainless, i say.

Zanthera Degore said...

I'm just a nurse. Actually talked about States and there policies and how the doctors find it not pleasant the system there. To each there own I guess.

My neighbour, well used to be neighbour, was sent back home to Maine after finishing his Medicine degree here. They wouldn't let him practise here.

Every system has their pros and cons. None are perfect and no need to put others down.

I just don't like presumptuous ideas that aren't properly researched.

I wonder which procedures we are talking about anyways.

SMP said...

Hi! I found you from String's blogroll. I absolutely loved this interview, made all the sweeter by the grades! You were very well versed and patient, more than I would have been. After her other attacks, I was expecting the typical "devil worshiper" accusations when you revealed you are pagan lol. Yes, yes, I am pagan, also, and I appreciate that you pointed out the traditional meaning of that term and the celebrations etc.

As for Canada, some of my family is from there and I find it shocking that the person above me who claims to be a nurse in Canada could accuse you of misspeaking. You are 100% spot on and most of us know it.

Here are a couple of videos I think you'll like about an experiment done to check out the health care system there to compare to what NObama has planned for us: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xdARfegZDns and http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q2jijuj1ysw (the second one is the experiment). Funny but frightening.

Pagan Blacksmith said...


My 'research' was based on an Uncle's wife who needed a bypass. I do not have all the details. What I do know is that she sold her house (this was several years ago) so she could have the surgery sh desperately needed. Her doctor hear in the States suggested she would not have made it through the 4 to 6 month wait she was being quoted by her Canadian Health Care System.

Again, this is from my Uncle's wife. She has since become an American Citizen, before marrying my Uncle. The part I do not understand is why she is supporting the nObamaCare plan.

I guess she is still looking for Utopia.


Pagan Blacksmith said...


Thanks for the visit and the hook from String. I don't write often, usually when something hits me as worth sharing.

By the way, who is String, so I can be sure to give a link back on the blogroll.


Pagan Blacksmith said...

AC & Carmin,

Thanks for visiting, again. I appreciate the trust that EVENTUALLY I would post something again.

I've got a few more I'm working on. But not sure I CAN post them, because they were events that have happened within my employer's domain. Some lines I try not to cross, unless I have a REALLY GOOD reason.

I'll have more up, soon.


Pagan Blacksmith said...


Funny how you mentioned 'funny how' as a co-worker used that phrase on me a couple of nights ago to get me to do some of his job for him.

It happens. And I usually don't mind. He's a helpful sort and it DOES go around and around and around ...


SMP said...

Strings: BACAstrings.blogspot.com, aka Pirate With A Permission Slip. He has you Blogrolled and your name drew me in ;).

Well, the account I used to comment is for my child abuse prevention work, but I have other blogs, too, for my writing and ranting. It isn't "blogging" I like, per se. I just love to write.